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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:32 pm
by Rick K
MysteryMachine wrote:ok what is a "motor starter" ?
Just a magnetic device that, when actuated using a very low amount of amperage delivered by a small push button/switch, closes the contacts between the siren motor and the incoming power.


You have three motor starters in your RCM1 panel; one for the copper, one for the blower, and one for the rotator.

-Rick

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:55 pm
by weasel2htm
Rick K wrote:
MysteryMachine wrote:ok what is a "motor starter" ?
Just a magnetic device that, when actuated using a very low amount of amperage delivered by a small push button/switch, closes the contacts between the siren motor and the incoming power.


You have three motor starters in your RCM1 panel; one for the copper, one for the blower, and one for the rotator.

-Rick
So basically, a "Motor Starter" in this context is a fancy name for a relay or contactor.

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:01 pm
by MysteryMachine
Rick K wrote:
MysteryMachine wrote:ok what is a "motor starter" ?
Just a magnetic device that, when actuated using a very low amount of amperage delivered by a small push button/switch, closes the contacts between the siren motor and the incoming power.


You have three motor starters in your RCM1 panel; one for the copper, one for the blower, and one for the rotator.

-Rick
So it's them green things in there?

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:04 pm
by Rick K
MysteryMachine wrote:
So it's them green things in there?
Yep! Most likely! Your main components of that panel are the three motor starters and the Agastat timer.

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:41 pm
by t-bolt82
MysteryMachine wrote:
t-bolt82 wrote:Wow - what a beautiful find! Congrats! It's so awesome that you found something other than sex offenders on craigslist! ;)
Easy now I have to have something to occupy my time LOL
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(Sorry to do a reply with just emoticons. ;) )

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:32 pm
by Jim Z
weasel2htm wrote: So basically, a "Motor Starter" in this context is a fancy name for a relay or contactor.
more or less, though it's a purpose-built relay. they're generally specified for the motor HP and also frequently have built-in thermal protection.

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:48 pm
by Rick K
Jim Z wrote:
weasel2htm wrote: So basically, a "Motor Starter" in this context is a fancy name for a relay or contactor.
more or less, though it's a purpose-built relay. they're generally specified for the motor HP and also frequently have built-in thermal protection.
Thank you for adding that, Jim! I didn't think to mention those features! :)

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:46 pm
by Ziginox
MysteryMachine wrote:ok what is a "motor starter" ?
Motors need some extra current to start up to overcome the static friction (I think thats the right type of friction.) Kind of like a jump start. Here is a pic of a motor starter from our old water pump, with a large capacitor for the current and a relay to switch off the cap after the motor has started. ACA's sirens (from what I have seen) use a similar setup except they also have caps that kick in when the motor is running. That small round thing is a thermal overload switch. Oh, the starter is from a 1HP 230-volt single phase Franklin Electric motor.
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:15 pm
by Rick K
Kasm279 wrote:
MysteryMachine wrote:ok what is a "motor starter" ?
Motors need some extra current to start up to overcome the static friction (I think thats the right type of friction.) Kind of like a jump start. Here is a pic of a motor starter from our old water pump, with a large capacitor for the current and a relay to switch off the cap after the motor has started. ACA's sirens (from what I have seen) use a similar setup except they also have caps that kick in when the motor is running. That small round thing is a thermal overload switch. Oh, the starter is from a 1HP 230-volt single phase Franklin Electric motor.
That's a capacitor-type motor starter...he was asking about a magnetic relay-type starter that's commonly found in siren control panels.

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:54 pm
by Jim Z
startup current isn't due to friction but the mass of the armature. after all, it's a big lump of iron and copper, so it takes some "oomph" to get it moving.