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Thu May 26, 2011 7:45 pm

carexpertandy wrote:Here's a brief article about many Hamilton County residents not hearing sirens last night.

http://www.local12.com/news/local/story ... x?rss=2522
This article has been edited. I can't believe this is happening! :evil:
Hamilton County Changes Emergency Siren Policy

It appears that Hamilton County has made a decision to change its policy regarding the sounding of emergency sirens.

During the height of the storms Wednesday night and Thursday morning, many parts of our viewing area were under a combination of a severe thunderstorm warning and a tornado watch. Until now, it has been the policy to set off sirens when both those conditions are in place. But last night, Hamilton County did not sound sirens.

Hamilton County Emergency Management head Mike Snowden tells Local 12's Jeff Hirsh that the new policy allows the person on duty some discretion whether to sound the siren, or not to sound it, based on current conditions and information provided by meteorologists. Last night, the person on duty decided not to sound the sirens because there was only a thunderstorm warning and a tornado watch, but not an actual tornado warning.

The decision apparently still has to be officially ratified by emergency management agency but the county decided to implement the policy last night. No press releases were sent out regarding the change in police.

Jeff continues to follow this developing story and will have more later today on Local 12 and Local12.com
CinWx wrote:No sirens in Groesbeck, hearing that they sounded downtown but not in other areas.
Somebody probably heard the Modulators in Newport.
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Thu May 26, 2011 8:28 pm

What exactly are they trying to accomplish with this new "policy"? Some people are already confused by the current policy (simply because they don't take the time to figure out what the actual policy is). Leaving it up to the person on duty to decide isn't going to work either. This will only cause a lot more confusion.
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Thu May 26, 2011 9:05 pm

Channel 12 says there was a glitch in the Campbell County siren system last night and they were not sounded. Their policy is the same as Hamilton's.

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Thu May 26, 2011 9:26 pm

Well they must have sounded at least some of the sirens since it seems that they were sounded in downtown and somebody commented in that article that they were sounded in Anderson Township.
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Fri May 27, 2011 12:34 am

Here's another story, which is explained a little bit differently. I thought they had the Severe Thunderstorm Warning/Tornado Watch policy earlier than 1999.

http://www.wlwt.com/weather/28037380/detail.html
Hamilton Co. Sirens Left Silent During Storms
EMA Director: County Felt Storms Didn't Warrant Sounding Sirens


CINCINNATI -- One of the questions posed by Hamilton County residents early Thursday was why the tornado sirens weren't activated.

The county has had a policy since 1999 of sounding the sirens when a severe thunderstorm warning is issued during a tornado watch.


Hamilton County emergency management director Mike Snowden told News 5's Stephanie Stone that the policy has not changed.

Snowden told Stone that authorities did not feel Thursday's storms were serious enough to warrant activating the sirens and awakening residents unnecessarily.

Sirens did activate in other counties with similar policies.

At least one tornado touched down in Butler County on Thursday morning, but no tornado warning was issued by the National Weather Service, the criteria for activating sirens in that county.

As a result, the sirens did not sound in Butler County either.
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They've had that policy since 1992. It was all severe thunderstorm warnings from 6/1986 to 12/1991.

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http://www.fox19.com/story/14736851/pro ... -installed

So it seems another reason for the delay is over 200 enviornmental impact studies!
CINCINNATI, OH (FOX19) - There was some confusion in Hamilton County Wednesday night, when some residents wondered why they didn't hear the tornado sirens during a severe thunderstorm warning.

An email from Mike Snowden with the County EMA to Commissioner Todd Portune stated, as of right now, their policy on sounding the sirens has not changed.

Portune said they will be meeting to look at a change soon, to coincide with completion of the county's new and improved siren system. He said there were literally 200 reasons why the county's new sires weren't up and running yet.

"15-percent of the populated area of Hamilton County did not get a warning at all," Portune said. "And 80-percent of the area that would get a warning, it would fail if there were a power outage."

So areas of Hamilton County without a siren at all will get the new ones first. Areas with existing sirens, that do not have a battery back-up, get replaced after that, until the entire county is covered.

"But it's going to take probably through the Fall of this year, in order to get them all installed," he said.

The delay came from 200 separate, environmental impact studies that, by law, had to be done, at every single siren location.

"It was a nightmare," he said. "It's done now."

It mostly had to do with checking the decibels for noise pollution. Areas lacking coverage right now include, "Green Township, portions of Whitewater and Crosby, some portions of Eastern Hamilton County as well," Portune said. "But the biggest block is in Western Hamilton County, where there's no outdoor warning system at all."

Under the old system, "The National Weather Service trips off the declaration of a warning," he said.

Then County EMA officials can activate the entire grid or pinpoint specific areas to sound the sirens in.

"The old technology, you had to activate the whole county," he said. "Even if the only area affected was a small portion of the County, no longer will that be the case, we'll be able to be much more localized geographically in terms of where the threat is."

Looming changes in protocol include the National Weather Service also being able to activate the sirens in a tornado warning situation.

Sirens would now only sound when the tornado threat is imminent, not in a thunderstorm warning situation, as had previously been the case.

"When did you start fighting for this?," we asked. "My second week in office as a County Commissioner in 2001," he said. And it wasn't until 2007 he said, when County Commissioner David Pepper seconded the motion, that the project finally got the green light and funding it needed to move forward.

The cost of keeping you safe? Less than$2 million Portune said, and when it's all said and done, we will have one of the best warning systems in the country.

"Money well spent, absolutely," Portune said. "No one will question the investment if it saves a life and it will."

Another cool feature of the new system is in heavy traffic areas, like down along the riverfront, some of the new sirens actually have talking capabilities, so you get a siren sounding, plus an actual voice telling you what to do, in case of a tornado or other county emergency.
Resident of a county with big a mixture of sirens, but in the process of being replaced. :(

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Why are they even concerned about noise pollution? It's not like these things will be sounded for long periods of time every day.
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Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:01 pm

I will be recording the Thunderbolt on top of Calhoun Hall next to the University of Cincinnati for the Hamilton County Outdoor Warning Siren test today. Video will be uploaded later on today.

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So, is it a 1000 or 1000T? There was some confusion after seeing 2 videos where that was the closest siren.
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