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Type of starter?

Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:04 pm

Well I took some photos back in late May of the sirens in Drumright, Oklahoma and I just started looking at them I was wondering if anyone on here knows what type of Starter this is? Also is it made for outdoor use?

This was my first time uploading photos on here so they are not in the right order they are backwards. Sorry! :oops:
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This is most likely the Starter that used to be on it But was hit by lightning at some point and had to be replaced. It was on another 2t22A but the rust killed it and was replaced with a Sentry Siren Starter. One more 2t22A still has this type and is working. It is a Indoor Starter Not Outdoor.
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Side of Starter the other box it the receiver.
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The starter is on a 2t22A
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Re: Type of starter?

Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:19 pm

It's a Cutler Hammer. Has a drip edge on the top so it appears to be a NEMA 3R enclosure with a hinged cover.

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Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:23 pm

holler wrote:It's a Cutler Hammer. Has a drip edge on the top but I don't think it's in an outdoor enclosure.
Thanks holler! It would not surprise me if it was not made for Outdoor use out of 7 sirens in this town only 1 is installed correctly.
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Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:29 pm

I thought we had already figured out that those were not made for outdoor use? I know Ian had said something about it not being rated for outdoor use (at least the one that was on that 2t22).
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Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:33 pm

mixerbd699 wrote:I thought we had already figured out that those were not made for outdoor use? I know Ian had said something about it not being rated for outdoor use (at least the one that was on that 2t22).
Yes we had already figured that out. The top photo is what the starter used to be on all of the 2t22's The other photos show a different starter. This siren was hit by lightning and the starter had to be replaced.
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Re: Type of starter?

Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:32 pm

Yeah the top starter is in a Nema 1 enclosure and is not suitable for outdoor enviroments. The bottom one is a Nema 3R and is suitable for outdoor enviroments.

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Re: Type of starter?

Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:09 pm

holler wrote:Yeah the top starter is in a Nema 1 enclosure and is not suitable for outdoor enviroments. The bottom one is a Nema 3R and is suitable for outdoor enviroments.
Ok thanks for the info! I have a feeling that the other 2t22 that has that Nema 1 enclosure will soon fail. 50+ years of being outside can't be good for it the starter on the other 2t22 had a cover over it to keep everything out worked for a long time then I guess it failed. Now has a Sentry Siren starter. I have had a lot of people tell me that that is very unusual to have a Sentry Siren starter on a 2t22.
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Re: Type of starter?

Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:43 am

A motor starter is a motor starter, regardless of who makes or sells it. Being a Sentry-branded motor control, that's probably why the city got gouged in price so bad with that job; Sentry's rather proud of their control components. That is a pretty nice motor starter they used, looks like a Benshaw contactor with maybe a Sesul(?) overload. Also looks like they get some of their stuff from Automation Direct, namely that modular DIN-rail terminal block. :P

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Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:38 am

murrfarms wrote:A motor starter is a motor starter, regardless of who makes or sells it. Being a Sentry-branded motor control, that's probably why the city got gouged in price so bad with that job; Sentry's rather proud of their control components. That is a pretty nice motor starter they used, looks like a Benshaw contactor with maybe a Sesul(?) overload. Also looks like they get some of their stuff from Automation Direct, namely that modular DIN-rail terminal block. :P
Thanks for the Great info! Yes that is what I said A motor starter is a motor starter and it works for the first time in 5-6 Years so who cares. Yes when I first saw that motor starter I was like nice motor starter! Did not expect a Sentry Motor Starter. Yes that is a Benshaw Contactor can't confirm the overload. Maybe in one of the photos there is a better view I think there is one before they put the wires in.
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Re: Type of starter?

Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:11 pm

Ok I found a photo of the inside of that Top starter with the Nema 1 enclosure. Just thought some people would be interested to see it. The Fire Chief kept talking about how old it was. The repair crew was trying to get it off the pole and failed.
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The repair crew was trying to get it off the pole and failed.
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