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Just looking for some info about Siratrol radios.
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:53 pm
by SoundMaster 391
In a few weeks or months I might be getting a high frequency Siratrol radio (ARCH). I just need some help trying to better understand how to use it and the do's and dont's. I have 3 quesitons so far.
1. Is it illegal to use a Siratrol?
2. Do I need any kind of FCC license and if so how do I get one?
3. Does anyone happen to have a Siratrol manual?
Re: Just looking for some info about Siratrol radios.
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:20 pm
by EOWS1212man
No, it is not illegal to own one and you do not need a license. It is a one way radio receiver used to listen for the siren's activation tones, you can't talk or "transmit" anything through it. However, if you were to use it to activate a siren without any emergency, that is what could get you in trouble.
Re: Just looking for some info about Siratrol radios.
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:13 pm
by SoundMaster 391
That pretty cool. Of course, I wouldn't purposely want to sound off my siren if it wasn't a emergency or a monthly test. What kind of radio do you need to activate the siratrol?
Re: Just looking for some info about Siratrol radios.
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:18 pm
by Stormsetter4
SoundMaster 391 wrote:That pretty cool. Of course, I wouldn't purposely want to sound off my siren if it wasn't a emergency or a monthly test. What kind of radio do you need to activate the siratrol?
You can't activate it unless the radio is tuned for a public or ametuer radio frequency. Most of them are on governmental frequencies that are illegal to transmit on as a civilian. It's basically a blue paperweight.
Re: Just looking for some info about Siratrol radios.
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:42 pm
by Josh_S
Stormsetter4 wrote:SoundMaster 391 wrote:That pretty cool. Of course, I wouldn't purposely want to sound off my siren if it wasn't a emergency or a monthly test. What kind of radio do you need to activate the siratrol?
You can't activate it unless the radio is tuned for a public or ametuer radio frequency. Most of them are on governmental frequencies that are illegal to transmit on as a civilian. It's basically a blue paperweight.
Wouldn't there be a way to change the frequency by changing out the crystals? I don't know if they are stuck in or soldered to the board but you should be able to change the frequency by changing out the crystals in the siratrol.
Re: Just looking for some info about Siratrol radios.
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:07 pm
by Valra Bellkeys
Josh(bearlovesox) wrote:Stormsetter4 wrote:SoundMaster 391 wrote:That pretty cool. Of course, I wouldn't purposely want to sound off my siren if it wasn't a emergency or a monthly test. What kind of radio do you need to activate the siratrol?
You can't activate it unless the radio is tuned for a public or ametuer radio frequency. Most of them are on governmental frequencies that are illegal to transmit on as a civilian. It's basically a blue paperweight.
Wouldn't there be a way to change the frequency by changing out the crystals? I don't know if they are stuck in or soldered to the board but you should be able to change the frequency by changing out the crystals in the siratrol.
I always hear about changing the crystals, and I would like to do it on my LOW Frequency Siratrol(40 Mhz area), but no one has made a video about where to buy crystals, how to find public frequencies, or how to change them out.
Re: Just looking for some info about Siratrol radios.
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:56 pm
by Stormsetter4
Valtonus wrote:Josh(bearlovesox) wrote:Stormsetter4 wrote:
You can't activate it unless the radio is tuned for a public or ametuer radio frequency. Most of them are on governmental frequencies that are illegal to transmit on as a civilian. It's basically a blue paperweight.
Wouldn't there be a way to change the frequency by changing out the crystals? I don't know if they are stuck in or soldered to the board but you should be able to change the frequency by changing out the crystals in the siratrol.
I always hear about changing the crystals, and I would like to do it on my LOW Frequency Siratrol(40 Mhz area), but no one has made a video about where to buy crystals, how to find public frequencies, or how to change them out.
They aren't easy to find, and finding someone that will install the crystals and tune them is even harder.
Re: Just looking for some info about Siratrol radios.
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:12 am
by Andys Live WX
An electronics repair shop would be a good place to take it.
Re: Just looking for some info about Siratrol radios.
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:52 am
by Westgate Thunderbolt
As others have already stated, it is not illegal to posess, own or operate the Siratrol receiver/tone decoder. The legality issues arise with the activation capabilities. To transmit on frequencies used to activate any Siratrol requires a Federal Comunication Commision (FCC) license. Licenses are required to transmit on all commercial two-way radio frequencies. This includes the high band VHF, low band VHF and UHF frequencies used by all Siratrol ARCH, ARCL and ARCU receiver/tone decoders. The purpose of the license is to assign frequencies so that no one is interfering with another's communications. It is just a way to keep communications orderly. Even if you were to successfully change the frequency of your Siratrol you would still legally require a license to transmit on that new frequency.
You can legally purchase the equipment to transmit. You can even legally have that equipment programmed to transmit on the frequency to activate your Siratrol with no questions asked.
Will the FCC do an all out man hunt for you if you do transmit on a frequency that you do not have a license for? Probably not as long as you do it very infrequently, but the risk is still there. There is also the risk that you could transmit over another critical transmission.
In the real world installations the siren system was activated at a base station. The base station had a desk top two-way base radio connected to a tone encoder. The tone encoder had several buttons for different sectors of the siren system so you could activate the entire siren system or a smaller portion of the system. When an activation button was pushed the tone encoder closed an internal relay for radio transmission. The tone encoder would then transmit a sequence of two different tones about one second apart. The Siratrol at the siren would receive the transmission in the tone decoder. The tone reads in the Siratrol tone decoder had to discriminate if the tones that were received were the correct tones, in the correct order and in the correct time spacing. If the Siratrol received everything correctly it would close the appropriate relay for the function assigned to those two tones whether it was for alert, attack, fire or cancel.
I do have a Siratrol manual if you need to know something.
Re: Just looking for some info about Siratrol radios.
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:08 pm
by Sean juth
Sorry fo the post bump
I would like to look at that siratrol manual please