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Re: Prototype Electronic Siren Controllers Coming Soon - INPUT NEEDED!

Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:11 pm

Josh(bearlovesox) wrote:
MrPulse wrote:What about adding different sounds such as tones and timings for different regions? I mean it wouldn't hurt to have it being customisable to suit other regions.

If you search for a Swiss air raid siren test for example, those kind of tones? This suggestion is towards if it happens to be electronic (electronic siren) otherwise disregard if it is towards a mechanical siren.
That is a possibility, although with the boards that will support electronic siren head units it will probably be a very standard tone around 500hz, and possibly dual tone. Because of how basic this is, attack will not be an option for those who will purchase a board that supports electronic siren heads at this time.
Now this led me to another suggestion which does sound extremely complicated but maybe a particular daughterboard with these tones for the "European National Standard" card. Haha. :D

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Re: Prototype Electronic Siren Controllers Coming Soon - INPUT NEEDED!

Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:57 pm

I can look into the possibility of adding an interface that would allow me to come up with some more specific daughter boards as a seperate option to the main control board

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Re: Prototype Electronic Siren Controllers Coming Soon - INPUT NEEDED!

Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:18 pm

To keep the cost low, there should be different tiers of controllers. One that is like a AR timer, no display or fancy lights, just the classic AR timer - can get the job done, then the higher level - more expensive stuff. As for electronic controllers, we still need a amp solution. I mean, I am planning on buying a 3016 driver soon, and I would definitely need a amp to run that :P
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Re: Prototype Electronic Siren Controllers Coming Soon - INPUT NEEDED!

Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:24 am

The way I have been trying to lay it out is that everything will go on one board, but if someone doesn't need a specific feature or set of features (wifi for example) we can simply not populate the parts on the board to lower cost by a large margin if all someone would want is the main bare bones system.

As for the amp, do you mean audio amp? If not what's the purpose/requirements? I may be able to get something together.

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Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:08 am

I'd recommend having at least four user-programmable signals, such as alert, attack, a customizable fire signal, test, and so on. They should have an adjustable cycle length, instead of a fixed three minutes, and the on and off timing on attack and fire should be user-adjustable. For the fire signal, consider a separate output like the AF timer has, so that a separate siren or horn can be used for fire calls.
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Re: Prototype Electronic Siren Controllers Coming Soon - INPUT NEEDED!

Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:11 pm

Daniel wrote:I'd recommend having at least four user-programmable signals, such as alert, attack, a customizable fire signal, test, and so on. They should have an adjustable cycle length, instead of a fixed three minutes, and the on and off timing on attack and fire should be user-adjustable. For the fire signal, consider a separate output like the AF timer has, so that a separate siren or horn can be used for fire calls.
Yes, absolutely. Right now we are going with an alert, attack, manual test, cancel for sure. Perhaps we could place a jumper in the circuit to switch between 3 and 5 minute cycles. Also, the attack will have some sort of user friendly programming via the display and some buttons. There will be a manual test button, and a cancel. As far as fire, while it would be nice to replicate the AF completely I don't know how necessary it would be for an enthusiast. On the other hand, if requested we could always simply add two more relays rated at 240V for bee/boo outputs. All in all this is really just a fun project so that enthusiasts have access to a low cost siren timer/controller and we would not condone actually using the units in an actual life-safety system.
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Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:31 pm

As for outputs and timings, I have it set up currently in a way that will let the user to customize any on/off and cycle timings using a small interface on the board. Each button on the board will be able to be set to whatever combination the user would want.

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Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:42 am

I would avoid fancy LED lighting schemes and PC-mount tact switches. Use heavy-duty 22mm illuminated switches (either guarded pushbuttons or momentary rotary selectors) which illuminate only when that cycle is active. Build it to last. Here's one I never got around to finishing. Notice the uniform switch size and placement, the unguarded cancel button, and the matching indicators (all made by Idec).

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Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:08 am

Daniel wrote:I would avoid fancy LED lighting schemes and PC-mount tact switches. Use heavy-duty 22mm illuminated switches (either guarded pushbuttons or momentary rotary selectors) which illuminate only when that cycle is active. Build it to last. Here's one I never got around to finishing. Notice the uniform switch size and placement, the unguarded cancel button, and the matching indicators (all made by Idec).

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There will be an output for remote heavy duty or key switches with a locking control box to discourage tampering.
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Re: Prototype Electronic Siren Controllers Coming Soon - INPUT NEEDED!

Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:15 am

Oh my gosh. All the features are starting to sound like a lot of $$$. I think there should be different tier of controllers, dirt basic, and then up.
I own: One complete SiraTone, another SiraTone control module, a 1600W MC, 2 old ATI controllers, 2 round ATI horns with drivers, a ATI-DSA 4 thing, a Federal Signal FC, AR timer and Siratrol, and a small CD&F.

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