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Re: Why do Model 2's, A's and L's cost so much?

Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:14 am

Daniel wrote:Back in the 40's and 50's, there was a great demand for small sirens as indoor civil defense alarms. Most public school buildings in Oregon, for example, used Model A-sized sirens in the hallways for air raid alerts and fire alarms (and some are still in use!). Since the 1960's, cheap electronic sirens have taken over mechanical ones for smaller applications, so small motorized sirens no longer have the demand they once did, and prices have risen accordingly.
ouch, they used those things INDOORS? :evil:
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Re: Why do Model 2's, A's and L's cost so much?

Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:16 am

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Daniel wrote:Back in the 40's and 50's, there was a great demand for small sirens as indoor civil defense alarms. Most public school buildings in Oregon, for example, used Model A-sized sirens in the hallways for air raid alerts and fire alarms (and some are still in use!). Since the 1960's, cheap electronic sirens have taken over mechanical ones for smaller applications, so small motorized sirens no longer have the demand they once did, and prices have risen accordingly.
ouch, they used those things INDOORS? :evil:
Yep, sometimes used as indoor fire alarms. The B-1 is a good example of one designed for indoor use.
Down to a Thunderbolt chopper, still a few goofy flashlight-siren combos, and a Model L.

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Re: Why do Model 2's, A's and L's cost so much?

Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:36 am

Zarlog wrote:I checked the pricing on a new model 2 and found that a 2-120 costs $2880.00. Why on earth does it cost so much? I was expecting something like $700-800 at the most, and for the model A and L $150-300. (a model A and L cost around $2000 each) Why do these cost so much?
Go on ebay dude. I got my fully restored model A for $110 US
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Re: Why do Model 2's, A's and L's cost so much?

Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:52 am

Zarlog wrote:I checked the pricing on a new model 2 and found that a 2-120 costs $2880.00. Why on earth does it cost so much? I was expecting something like $700-800 at the most, and for the model A and L $150-300. (a model A and L cost around $2000 each) Why do these cost so much?
They cost so much for a couple of reasons.

First, simply because Federal Signal knows that their target customers (i.e. Small towns for a Model 2 and factories mainly buying up the A's and L's as general notification alarms) are going to pay whatever it costs to potentially save their citizens lives or notify their factory workers that s*** is hitting the fan or it's time for shift change.

Another reason is you have to consider that Federal Signal makes all of their products in-house at their factory in Illinois. When I say made in- house, I mean the majority of the parts are fabricated and all of the products assembled right there in their factory in Illinois. That means they have to pay for the metal, then pay the costs of the machines that fabricate everything, then the worker's labor in order to fabricate and assemble everything.
It gets pretty expensive.

To cite CDV777-1's contribution to Wikipedia, a brand new Thunderbolt 1000 :TBolt: at the time cost $6,684.25
These prices were cited from Federal Signal's 1979 Product manual, if I remember correctly.
According to the CPI Inflation calculator, In 1979, $6,684.25 was worth what $22,228.17 is today.
When I was a young lad and just getting interested in sirens, I called Federal Signal, and at the time (this was around 2003), a new 2001-SRN was around $18,000.

Now, if you're looking to personally source a Model A or L, and I've even seen some Model 2's pop up sporadically, look no further than eBay. An A or L in decent shape should only run you at most a couple hundred. I've seen Model 2's go for as low as $300 and as high as a couple thousand depending on age and condition.

But, to answer your question of why they cost so much:
A. They have to cover the cost of the materials to fabricate the parts.
B. They have to pay their workers, at their own factory, to fabricate and assemble said parts and products.
C. They're one of the about four major outdoor siren manufacturers in the United States, they have very little competition.
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Re: Why do Model 2's, A's and L's cost so much?

Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:05 am

I believe we(Amarillo) have spent around 300k on 508's as of now. They're about 25k each.
Down to a Thunderbolt chopper, still a few goofy flashlight-siren combos, and a Model L.

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Re: Why do Model 2's, A's and L's cost so much?

Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:05 am

Sirens aren't exactly the cheapest device to manufacture. Especially mechanical ones.

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Re: Why do Model 2's, A's and L's cost so much?

Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:56 pm

Zarlog wrote: ouch, they used those things INDOORS? :evil:
My elementary school in Ashland, Oregon, was built in the 1950's and had three IBM Model A-sized fire sirens in the main hallway.
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Re: Why do Model 2's, A's and L's cost so much?

Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:29 pm

Daniel wrote:
Zarlog wrote: ouch, they used those things INDOORS? :evil:
My elementary school in Ashland, Oregon, was built in the 1950's and had three IBM Model A-sized fire sirens in the main hallway.
Still there? Unknown?
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Re: Why do Model 2's, A's and L's cost so much?

Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:14 am

coastalsyrolover wrote:
Daniel wrote:
Zarlog wrote: ouch, they used those things INDOORS? :evil:
My elementary school in Ashland, Oregon, was built in the 1950's and had three IBM Model A-sized fire sirens in the main hallway.
Still there? Unknown?
The next time I go there I'll try to see. It's about 400 miles from here.
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