Blue Valley Public Safety (kcmo)

[holler]

Charlie, you do not have the correct coverage map that you need for your city. There are a lot of factors that go into selecting a system, and that is up to a warning systems professional. You do not have the experience to select and design a warning system for your community, that is the job of your siren dealer. You are not an EMA director or elected official, nor are you in the siren business. I have a feeling your city council is trying to make a fool out of you.

[Charlie Davidson]

Charlie, you do not have the correct coverage map that you need for your city. There are a lot of factors that go into selecting a system, and that is up to a warning systems professional. You do not have the experience to select and design a warning system for your community, that is the job of your siren dealer. You are not an EMA director or elected official, nor are you in the siren business. I have a feeling your city council is trying to make a fool out of you.

Nononono, I think you guys are getting a little sidetracked..

This has NOTHING to do with the city, this is going through the Community Foundation.

Don't worry about this, I can handle it; I have people that are helping me out with this that know what they're doing.

I may be a 15 year old but I'm not siren-illiterate.

Just let me deal with this, I can do it.

Now back to what the topic was originally posted for.

[KC9LEA]

This has NOTHING to do with the city, this is going through the community thing. Any sirens that go in the city will be placed at schools and fire departments, not on city property.

P.S. Schools and Fire Departments are Community and/or City Property! Also Is your community Incorporated or Unincorporated? That is also going to have a major effect on things.

[holler]

Who is going to take the responsibility for activating these sirens? Have the insurance issues been discussed, as well as the liability issues?

[Thunderboltlover]

Charlie,

If you are looking at a 2001-130 with battery backup,

The cost for the siren is $11,400 as of november

[Charlie Davidson]

Charlie,

If you are looking at a 2001-130 with battery backup,

The cost for the siren is $11,400 as of november

50-foot pole $5,000 i think?

Just the siren itself, or the controls and all?

I recall a 2001-130 complete with controls and battery box being somewhere around $20,000. Correct me if I'm mistaken.

[holler]

Charlie,

If you are looking at a 2001-130 with battery backup,

The cost for the siren is $11,400 as of november

50-foot pole $5,000 i think?

Wow, you need to check your prices. A 60 foot wooden class II pole is only $600. Charlie is right, they are about $20,000 after you pay for the controls, battery equipment, and installation.

[JasonC]

Charlie, you do not have the correct coverage map that you need for your city. There are a lot of factors that go into selecting a system, and that is up to a warning systems professional. You do not have the experience to select and design a warning system for your community, that is the job of your siren dealer. You are not an EMA director or elected official, nor are you in the siren business. I have a feeling your city council is trying to make a fool out of you.

Nononono, I think you guys are getting a little sidetracked..

This has NOTHING to do with the city, this is going through the Community Foundation.

Don't worry about this, I can handle it; I have people that are helping me out with this that know what they're doing.

I may be a 15 year old but I'm not siren-illiterate.

Just let me deal with this, I can do it.

Now back to what the topic was originally posted for.

Are your price quotes including installation by a qualified contractor, and including things such as materials, insurance, activation equipment, etc?

And to have an accurate coverage map, you need knowledge on the subject of sound propagation and large topo maps.

Yes, you can gather some info and ballpark a figure, but these kinds of things are left to the experts, not concerned citizens. If you want a system, like everyone has told you on this thread, you need to start a community awareness project or something like that. Planning a siren system is well out of scope for you.

[Charlie Davidson]

Charlie, you do not have the correct coverage map that you need for your city. There are a lot of factors that go into selecting a system, and that is up to a warning systems professional. You do not have the experience to select and design a warning system for your community, that is the job of your siren dealer. You are not an EMA director or elected official, nor are you in the siren business. I have a feeling your city council is trying to make a fool out of you.

Nononono, I think you guys are getting a little sidetracked..

This has NOTHING to do with the city, this is going through the Community Foundation.

Don't worry about this, I can handle it; I have people that are helping me out with this that know what they're doing.

I may be a 15 year old but I'm not siren-illiterate.

Just let me deal with this, I can do it.

Now back to what the topic was originally posted for.

Are your price quotes including installation by a qualified contractor, and including things such as materials, insurance, activation equipment, etc?

And to have an accurate coverage map, you need knowledge on the subject of sound propagation and large topo maps.

Yes, you can gather some info and ballpark a figure, but these kinds of things are left to the experts, not concerned citizens. If you want a system, like everyone has told you on this thread, you need to start a community awareness project or something like that. Planning a siren system is well out of scope for you.

All I am doing for the Community Foundation is giving them an estimate of the cost of a siren system for the entire county. I'm just the spark here, they are the light bulb.

I called a couple of siren dealers yesterday and got some prices. I need to contact a few more dealers, and I'll be ready to find some local siren installation contractors and get some estimates on installation. Then I'll give the Community Foundation my findings and prices, and then we will go on from there, applying for the grant, then we'll have the various companies come out and do their thing.

I'm going to bring up also that Sentry should really be considered, since we already have one in the city, but that's not my decision, that's the county and EMA's decision. Just a recommendation to them.

Now hopefully you understand my job here

[holler]

You need to sit down with your EMA, and come up with a request for proposal of what you want in a warning system (x amount of are covered). Then when the vendors send you proposals that will give you your price estimate.

Also most of the time if you contract with a dealer they have their own installation equipment or they just contract with a local electrical contractor.