Don't pay attention to this "just go and get it nonsense."
It's still the city's siren because it's on city property.
The pole is on the sidewalk not the schools property.
It would still be a city deal if you were going to remove it.
Looks like the intersection would be partially blocked by the cranes
removing it so that would draw attention. I don't think it would
be as easy and just hiring someone to take it down. Also if you did hire
someone to take it down they would want to see proof that you have
permission to remove it. I had to show the crane guys I hired to remove
the 1003 in Sherman the letter from the EM director giving me permission
to remove that siren so surely you would have to do the same thing
if you had that M.D. removed.
Who might own the siren?
It's next to a school, so you'll have to have their permission and provide them with items such as an insurance certificate, even if the siren is not on school property. Next to the school is enough.
If the crane is out on the street, you'll have to have a permit.
I've noticed sign companies do a lot of this. They've got equipment with a head sheave for lifting and a man basket to work from. They also have electricians and know all about permits. Are you prepared for the costs?[/list][/list]
- The city, although they don't realize it
- The county
- The state
- Some semi-independent agency jointly controlled by some of the bodies named above
It's next to a school, so you'll have to have their permission and provide them with items such as an insurance certificate, even if the siren is not on school property. Next to the school is enough.
If the crane is out on the street, you'll have to have a permit.
I've noticed sign companies do a lot of this. They've got equipment with a head sheave for lifting and a man basket to work from. They also have electricians and know all about permits. Are you prepared for the costs?[/list][/list]
Well, Please excuse me CDv777 for giving out false information again. This is Los Angeles were dealing with here not "Tornado alley" Texas, with a decades old abandoned system that the city ,or county doesn't lay claim to or doesn't want to lay claim to.It's been discussed before in older threads. In fact he'd be doing the city a favor by removing the siren and pole. Oh yes They'd make him get rid of the pole too.adding to the expense.It would cost major $$$$ to do it,but I think it could be done with planning.Have you been to Los Angeles ? Sorry, I must have missed something.CDV777-1 wrote:Don't pay attention to this "just go and get it nonsense."
Yes I agree. it would be alot more trouble and money than it's worth to remove that device. You talk to the Los Angeles em director about removing sirens and you'll probably get a puzzled look from him/her as well as What sirens?lol I bought a sd10 from one of those contractors who just removed the siren and pole from 3rd & bixell Los Angeles making way for progress.I asked him at the time if he needed permission to remove the siren,He said no he just did it.and he had the equipment to do it.Looks like the intersection would be partially blocked by the cranes
removing it so that would draw attention. I don't think it would
be as easy and just hiring someone to take it down. Also if you did hire
someone to take it down they would want to see proof that you have
permission to remove it. I had to show the crane guys I hired to remove
the 1003 in Sherman the letter from the EM director giving me permission
to remove that siren so surely you would have to do the same thing
if you had that M.D. removed.
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Gotta agree with hobbee here. If no one wants to claim ownership of the siren besides you, then do the other two parties a favor and get rid of it for 'em. No one wants problems or for things to be more complicated than they need to be. Abandoned 50 year old sirens on abandoned 50 year old poles makes for a safety hazard anyways, you'd be doing everyone a favor by giving it a loving new home.
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minerva42 if you really want to try to get the siren go through the proper channels with the city. Jim Ferer 's post is a good concise starting point.
It will probably be more trouble than it's worth but you never know. There's no telling how many city departments you would have to call but there is somebody there that knows about the old sirens.
No matter what, you will have to have permission before it can be removed from that site. There's no reputable crew that would remove it without proof that it's legal to remove it.
If that siren fell over and landed on a car and someone was injured who would be at fault? The city. Why would the city be at fault? Because it's their property. Even if it's been neglected. If you took a truck over there yourself and tried to take it down without permission and there was an accident during the removal who would be at fault then? Have at it. Do it yourself. Don't lead people on the board to believe they can just go start removing sirens because they are old and haven't been used in "decades." If someone is browsing this board and comes across a post telling someone to just to take a siren because it's old that makes the board look bad and amateurish.
It will probably be more trouble than it's worth but you never know. There's no telling how many city departments you would have to call but there is somebody there that knows about the old sirens.
No matter what, you will have to have permission before it can be removed from that site. There's no reputable crew that would remove it without proof that it's legal to remove it.
Yeah I guess you did miss something. I've been there twice as if it matters. What does that have to do with anything? Is LA the town were anyone can go around taking city property just because it's been sitting around for "decades?" The siren is on city property and it is still city property even if the em director would "probably" give you a puzzled look if you asked about it. Let me guess. You have never actually asked anyone with the city about the old sirens have you?Have you been to Los Angeles ? Sorry, I must have missed something.
If that siren fell over and landed on a car and someone was injured who would be at fault? The city. Why would the city be at fault? Because it's their property. Even if it's been neglected. If you took a truck over there yourself and tried to take it down without permission and there was an accident during the removal who would be at fault then? Have at it. Do it yourself. Don't lead people on the board to believe they can just go start removing sirens because they are old and haven't been used in "decades." If someone is browsing this board and comes across a post telling someone to just to take a siren because it's old that makes the board look bad and amateurish.
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Well not actually with the City of Los Angeles, Because I don't live there but I have had similar experiences, Calling to legally remove a siren from a corner up on a pole In the City of San Jose Ca.San Jose Is similar to L.A.in the aspect of abandoned CD era sirens .Different calls to different departments were met with silence to "I have no idea what your talking about Here I can give you this # to call".That was with the EM Director,City Hall, City Mgr,Directer of City Planning.Etc.with no success...CDV777-1 wrote:Yeah I guess you did miss something. I've been there twice as if it matters. What does that have to do with anything? Is LA the town were anyone can go around taking city property just because it's been sitting around for "decades?" The siren is on city property and it is still city property even if the em director would "probably" give you a puzzled look if you asked about it. Let me guess. You have never actually asked anyone with the city about the old sirens have you?
Removing A siren of that size and weight is a daunting and monumental task that would take careful planning, the right equipment, and MOST IMPORTANT! permission from the proper authorities. Minerva42 good luck on your task! I think it will cost you a lot more $$$$ than you could imagineIf that siren fell over and landed on a car and someone was injured who would be at fault? The city. Why would the city be at fault? Because it's their property. Even if it's been neglected. If you took a truck over there yourself and tried to take it down without permission and there was an accident during the removal who would be at fault then? Have at it. Do it yourself. Don't lead people on the board to believe they can just go start removing sirens because they are old and haven't been used in "decades." If someone is browsing this board and comes across a post telling someone to just to take a siren because it's old that makes the board look bad and amateurish.
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update: i have sadly moved from that city but i am still in contact with the city and the school, they have responded the school has decided to inform there building supevisors and that department from what i understand the own it. due to my current living condintions, i can no longer get this amazing siren, but i will kee in contact with the city and get all the info i can on it if anyone on here wants the info PM me ill send it as i receive it and if anyone wants it, you can go get it.
If anyone is still interested, find out what agency is responsible for abandoned city property and talk to them. Point out there's no more Civil Defense and that the EMA successor agency had no way to know about this abandoned property, which they never operated (if all that is true). Point out the hazard this creates if the pole should fall over or the sirens fall off in a storm.
Expect to pay thousands to get this siren. You'll need a sign-erection boom truck. You'll need an operator ($80/hr plus loaded) and an electrician. The rigging should come with the truck. The city and the school must be additional insureds on the erector's policy (a local sign erector will probably have this covered already). You'll need a permit that allows you to set up in the street, and you may have to have a one-man police detail for traffic.
I say sign erectors because their equipment is well-suited for erecting and removing sirens.
Expect to pay thousands to get this siren. You'll need a sign-erection boom truck. You'll need an operator ($80/hr plus loaded) and an electrician. The rigging should come with the truck. The city and the school must be additional insureds on the erector's policy (a local sign erector will probably have this covered already). You'll need a permit that allows you to set up in the street, and you may have to have a one-man police detail for traffic.
I say sign erectors because their equipment is well-suited for erecting and removing sirens.
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